Recently, longtime Phish lyricist Tom Marshall launched his own podcast to talk about the band we all know and love. Marshall’s Under The Scales series focuses on various aspects of the Phish scene, and he’s released episodes highlighting everything from tapers to stat-keeping to PhantasyTour and more.

The latest episode is a truly interesting one, as Marshall sits down with The Dude Of Life himself, Steve Pollak, to talk about the band’s lyrics. The two tell stories of their earliest days writing songs with Trey Anastasio, sharing the origin stories for a number of favorite tunes. They also talk about their own collaboration together, and share more goodies from the Phish universe.

Tune in and listen to the two Phish writers talk about their favorite band in the newest “Under The Scales” podcast, streaming below.