Mumford and Sons shared their thoughts on the state of the music industry and Jay Z’s new streaming service Tidal in an interview with The Daily Beast.

“We wouldn’t have joined it anyway, even if they had asked. We don’t want to be tribal,” says frontman Marcus Mumford. “I think smaller bands should get paid more for it, too. Bigger bands have other ways of making money, so I don’t think you can complain. A band of our size shouldn’t be complaining. And when they say it’s artist-owned, it’s owned by those rich, wealthy artists.”

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“We don’t want to be part of some Tidal ‘streaming revolution’ nor do we want to be Taylor Swift and be anti-it,” Winston Marshall continued, responding to a Taylor Swift quote in which she claims music should not be free. “I don’t understand her argument, either. The focus is slightly missed. Music is changing. It’s fucking changing. This is how people are going to listen to music now—streaming. So diversify as a band. It doesn’t mean selling your songs to adverts. We look at our albums as stand-alone pieces of art, and also as adverts for our live shows.”

“What I’m not into is the tribalistic aspect of it—people trying to corner bits of the market, and put their face on it,” added Mumford. “That’s just commercial bullshit. We hire people to do that for us rather than having to do that ourselves. We just want to play music, and I don’t want to align myself with Spotify, Beats, Tidal, or whatever. We want people to listen to our music in their most comfortable way, and if they’re not up for paying for it, I don’t really care.”

“Smaller bands have a better opportunity in the music industry now than they’ve ever had, because you don’t need to have a record deal to have your music listened to worldwide,” he continued. “It’s democratized the music industry. So as much as it sucks, and they need to figure out how to represent people fairly financially, you’ve never been able to get your music listened to more easily.”

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The indie rockers have also added to their string of tour dates, in support of their forthcoming album, Wilder Mind. 

The tour kicks off at Brooklyn’s Coney Island on June 2 before embarking across the world, including several of their “Gentlemen of the Road” mini-festivals. Check out the full roster of tour dates below.

Wilder Mind comes out May 4th.

Mumford and Sons 2015 Complete Tour Dates:
06/02 – Brooklyn, NY @ MCU Park at Coney Island
06/06 – Seaside Heights, NJ @ Gentlemen of the Road Stopover *
06/08 – Boston, MA @ Xfinity Center
06/10 – Columbia, MD @ Merriweather Post Pavilion
06/11 – Raleigh, NC @ Walnut Creek Amphitheatre
06/13 – Manchester, TN @ Bonnaroo Music Festival
06/15 – Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON @ The Commons at Butler’s Barracks
06/16 – Clarkson, MI @ DTE Energy Music Theater
06/17 – Chicago, IL @ Montrose Beach & Park
06/20 – Waverly, IA @ Gentlemen of the Road Stopover *
06/29 – Verona, IT @ Arena di Verona
06/30 – Rome, IT @ Ippodromo Capannelle
07/01 – Pistoia, IT @ Piazza Duomo
07/03 – Gdynia, PL @ Open’er Festival
07/04 – Nijmegen, NL @ Goffertpark
07/05 – Arras, FR @ Main Square Festival
07/09-11 – Bilbao, ES @ Bilbao BBK Live
07/10 – Lisbon, PT @ NOS Alive Festival
07/17 – Berlin, DE @ Waldbühne
07/18 – Berlin, DE @ Waldbühne
07/31-08/01 – Aviemore, UK @ Gentlemen of the Road Stopover *
08/07 – San Francisco, CA @ Outside Lands Music Festival
08/09 – Squamish Valley, BC @ Squamish Valley Music Festival
08/11 – Edmonton, AB @ Rexall Place
08/12 – Calgary, AB @ Scotiabank Saddledome
08/15 – Walla Walla, WA @ Gentlemen of the Road Stopover *
08/22 – Salida, CO @ Gentlemen of the Road Stopover *
08/28-30 – Reading, UK @ Reading Festival
08/28-30 – Leeds, UK @ Leeds Festival

Gentlemen of the Road Stopovers:

Seaside Heights, New Jersey, USA
June 5th + 6th – Mumford & Sons, The Flaming Lips, Alabama Shakes, The Vaccines, The Maccabees, Dawes, The Very Best, Jenny Lewis, Little May, JEFF The Brotherhood, Blake Mills + more TBA

Waverly, Iowa, USA
June 19th + 20th – Mumford & Sons, The Flaming Lips, My Morning Jacket, Dawes, Jenny Lewis, The Maccabees, The Very Best, Rubblebucket, JEFF The Brotherhood, Blake Mills + more TBA

Aviemore, Scotland, UK
July 31st + August 1st – Mumford & Sons, Primal Scream, Simian Mobile Disco, Ben Howard, Lianne La Havas, The Maccabees, Jack Garratt, Honeyblood + more TBA

Walla Walla, Washington, USA
August 14th + 15th – Mumford & Sons, Foo Fighters, The Flaming Lips, The Vaccines, Dawes, Jenny Lewis, TuneYards, James Vincent McMorrow, JEFF The Brotherhood, Blake Mills + more TBA

Salida, Colorado, USA
August 21st + 22nd – Mumford & Sons, The Flaming Lips, Dawes,
Jenny Lewis, The Vaccines, TuneYards, James Vincent McMorrow, JEFF The Brotherhood, Blake Mills + more TBA